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So suddenly there’s a lot of attention around email and it’s exposing how many people in the web community still use Gmail. Like actually trust all your personal information and communication (and that of your potentially marginalised or vulnerable contacts) with Google. 🤮

There are a lot of hard problems and lack of alternatives when it comes to rights-respecting technology. But email (as imperfect as it is) has a fair few affordable alternative providers. Small change, big difference.

Maybe I’ve not been saying it loudly or frequently enough for the last however-many years…

Privacy is not a luxury.

Same with accessibility. Neither are luxuries, they’re life-sustaining rights. And you’re unusually privileged if you’ve not had to care about either.

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@laura THIS 👏🏼

I can somewhat tolerate the “I stay on Facebook for my grandpa” arguments. But for email? There are so many better options.

@scully Well, once you have an Android smartphone or pad, it requires a Google account. So it's actually easier to have a Gmail than not having one.
Not saying it's good, just saying so many people have a Gmail account because... they didn't have to put any effort into it.
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@vanecx @scully @laura However, you don't have to use it as your *main* email address.

@nickchuckwalter @scully @laura I use Zoho for mail, it's like $10 a year for mail, calendar, etc. Privacy-focussed and custom domain support

@laura so true! you can say the same about Google Analytics too. most websites still use it despite everything that's known about Google and despite having access to lots of alternatives. we're trying to slowly change that one site at a time...

@markosaric @laura Agreed on both. Do y'all think the Safari changes might finally help with Google Analytics?

@chris @laura just look at the number of marketers and agencies etc complaining about this change to understand that many feel threatened... if there will be actual major change happening is difficult to know but i do hope so

@laura I am glad other people also see this problem. "Improvement" today go wrong direction, when privacy become more and more restricted to lucky, tech savvy individuals. Like kind of occult, esoteric knowledge. Casual person, who want to have e.g.mobile phone, practically don't have a choice. Getting rid of nasty spyware given by default requires some skills. So everyone now has to be IT/network/mobile expert to live peacefully without unwanted eyes? 😕

@laura Very true my dear, remember that email was one of the first advances in communication technology, (first generation) but today with the fifth generation, email became irrelevant.

@STP_KITT
I suppose the launch of hey dot com, a new email service
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Ah, I heard of that, thanks. ( from the makers of basecamp )

@STP_KITT @laura

@laura I currently don't use Gmail anymore but I am sometimes considering going back to it because of the amazing categorisation of emails. Are there any alternatives that do it just as well as Gmail does it?

@laura There's @Tutanota, a great option to consider for the reasons you mentioned. They even encrypt the email that goes to non-tutanota email users.

@Citizenzibb @laura @Tutanota Problem with Tutanota (apart from spelling it) and protonmail is the inability to use a client of your choice (no IMAP, SMTP, etc). Posteo looks good, but it charges so not accessible to many. Similar deal with Fastmail. Self-hosting has its own fistful of problems too! Trouble is, people want stuff free of charge.

@theprivacyfoundation @dheadshot @laura @Tutanota Thank you for this information. For my needs, tutanota's web interface seems to do the trick nicely, but what works for me may not work for someone else.

@laura I'm curious your thoughts on protonmail for example. Where does it fall short?

@laura I use Yahoo for Email and GMAIL to Collect all spam... I Never READ my GMAIL... only use it when a form requires an email address... let them spam an account i never read...

@laura Beg pardon, but what is wrong exactly with Google for contacts and Gmail?

@Down10 Respectfully, that may be the wrong question. It's not about any one particular google product. But anyway @laura outlined pretty well one of the problems with google that relates to email and contacts in this thread starter.

@laura I probably have some sensitive info about myself there but my communication with others is very rarely over email. There are way better protocols to do that over.

@laura I hate to say it, but I still have a Gmail. However I started using Protonmail and Riseup more often recently. I suppose you can just change your email address on services you use a lot?

@laura @Gargron Tutanota and Protonmail to name a few... both are also FOSS

@laura its so hard to remove yourself from everything when its what u have been doing the last 20 years. Especially when all your photos are still there lol. I need to download all my photos from all my social networks and just store them and shut down everything lol. I(m new to this site. FIrst post I saw aND enjoyed it

@aerokossa @laura It probably always has to be long process. I am person who use far less than average services and I rather delete any data than store (~85% removal rate?) and it was almost four months for me (from migration start to Google account deletion, during this I closed other unneeded accounts registered on this mail, it was the longest part). For people who rather store and who care about some services it may be longer (backups and data moving, finding and choosing alternatives etc.).

@aerokossa
There is a function called "Google Takeout". It will generate a link for you which let's you download *all* data stored on Google servers with a single click. The same is possible at Facebook.
I've done that before closing my accounts.
@laura

@laura
One service I would recommend is Protonmail. They have a TINY amount of space for the free service, but they respect your privacy.

@laura If only I could find a gratis freedom respecting alternative without running my own server.

@laura Personally, I only use Gmail *only* as a public email. Everything private is on my #protonmail account. I like #endtoendenryption and #email should support this standard by default.

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